Tuesday, July 21, 2009

Swine Flu

Seven Minute Video About Swine Flu - what you should know, especially if mandatory vaccination is implemented in schools.

My children have never had a flu vaccine. They've also never had the flu - that we know of, but they may have. The fact is that my children are home most of the time, and when they're sick, they get to stay home and recover. They also aren't as exposed to other people as they would be in school.

In addition, *I* work from home, and so I'm not as exposed either, and when I feel poorly, I can stay home, which means that any illness I may suffer isn't as acute as it might be.

The key is that we can give our bodies time, the time to fight illness, and that's one reason I don't think we need vaccines. With very few exceptions NONE of the diseases vaccines protect against need much more treatment beyond, rest and lots of fluids.

I don't know how I would feel if my children were in school all day, but I know that I don't trust vaccines - especially this "new" swine flu vaccine, and I ESPECIALLY don't trust a "drug" that is being forced on me using fear-mongering.

It is still "just" the flu. Isn't it?


  1. I'm sort of with you on this one, but also more or less in the dark wrt the anti-vaccination movement. I totally disagree with mandatory vaccination for something as innocuous as the flu. People should definitely have the right to opt out. But I suppose I don't understand the stance that many parents seem to be adopting towards vaccination, the default choice being "no." Not "I don't understand," as in "I disagree," but really not knowing where they're coming from.

    I've had actual influenza, and it is really no fun at all. Since I've had it, I sort of bristle whenever people casually mention that they have the "flu" while they're out and about grocery shopping. What they've got is the common cold. Influenza will lay you up for two weeks, easily, and you won't be doing any grocery shopping during that time.

    So yeah, I'll get a flu shot if it's cheap and there's no shortage of vaccines to go around. I don't always do it, but if it's convenient I don't say no. I've also had vaccines for some of the nastier diseases out there, since I've traveled in underdeveloped countries. The hepatitis vaccines, tetanus, yellow fever, dengue, polio booster vaccines, that sort of thing. I wouldn't have done it otherwise, though I was careful to spread these vaccines out over time before my travels. No sense damaging my immune system with a massive multi-phased attack all at once. My basic feeling is: why not get any extra immunity that I can?

    I guess I'd like to hear the reasoning behind your not wanting vaccines. The things you mention in this post about being able to stay home and recover sort of beg the question: if you had to work outside of the home, would your decision be different? Is your objection situational or more fundamental? Is your beef with the coercion, or with the health/medical aspect of vaccination? I get it that natural acquired immunity is better than vaccination-induced immunity. But I'm guessing there's more to it than that.

  2. Not to start a big debate, but we've been lucky with the flu's in this country lately. Just read about the Spanish flu pandemic. It wasn't pretty. People feeling fine and then being dead less than 12 hours later. Healthy people. And Kate is right, real influenza is awful! You are worthless for weeks. People scoff at the flu because they think they had it when the really had a bad cold.

    Having said all that, I do not agree with mandatory vaccination. It should be a choice individuals get to make. I'm not opposed to vaccination, I actually spent 6 years working on vaccine research. I am opposed to the government making us do anything.

  3. I've had influenza, dignosed with the q-tip up the nose test (ewwwwww!!!). I was given tamiflu since my symptoms were less than 48 hours old and told to stay home and quarantine myself for three days, rest and drink fluids. I was back to work on the 5th day, felt a bit puny for a week but then back to normal.

    Yes, the real deal flu sucks. However, if you eat real food, not processed crap, have a decent immune system free from daily stresses you can beat the flu with the kinds of treatments our grandparents used. Elderberry tincture, enough Vitamin D (which in my climate means either lots of fish or supplements), live a more simple life, stop gadding about everywhere in creation, rest when you need it and eat REAL FOOD.

    I really think that processed foods decrease our immunity to disease. Case in point? Two years ago my blood sugars were in the 140's and I had to take shots for "diabetes". Today... just had my blood test done, now under 100 all the time, no meds but I eat real food. That one change means no meds for the last 18 months (the change took about 6 months).

    Oh, and vaccines? Tetanus only. I'll take my chances with fate rather than pseudo-science.

  4. I hate how the government could force something like "mandatory vaccines" on us, especially the swine flu vaccine. They've been developing a vaccine for a few months now and I don't trust how safe it's supposed to be. I don't think they've had enough time to test it. I have asthma and I'm on the list of people who should be first in line to get vaccines. I never get one though. This past December and January I suffered through the flu twice - before then, I can't remember the last time I was so sick. I've increased the amount of fruits/veggies/organics that I eat and I've felt really good since the last incident.

  5. There were rumors last year that regular old flu vaccines were going to be mandatory at school--before this whole swine flu malarky. I wasn't down with that and I'm not down with any mandatory swine flu vaccines either.

    As a stupid young mother, I got Chunky the first of three flu vaccines when he was what, 3 maybe 4? Back when there was a big hubub about it. NEVER AGAIN. I have never seen that kids so sick in his life!!! I know they say that's not possible, but I'm a believer. Same thing happened to me the one time I got a flu shot (again, stupid young mother-to-be convinced by my dr. that I might get the flu b/c I was having a late-November baby and would be in the hospital during flu season..). Guess who got really sick that year and almost weaned her Chunky b/c she got so dehydrated from the puking and other intestinal fun? Yeah. NEVER AGAIN.

  6. Bezzie, real flu doesn't have intestinal symptoms. So, you didn't get that from the vaccine. If you are throwing up, it is something other than influenza.

    Anna - for most flu strains you are right that a healthy immune system will protect you. The worry with the swine flu is that the people who were dying from it were the healthy people. It was the same with the Spanish flu. Since flu symptoms are mostly caused from our immune system, there are some strains where having a healthy immune system can make it worse, even deadly.

    I'm not saying everyone should go out and get vaccinated against swine flu, I don't plan to. But flu isn't something to poo-poo either. It can be extremely serious! Even in healthy people. Go read about the Spanish flu outbreak. It could happen again.

  7. Not to be contrary or argumentative, or anything (*grin*), but according to this site, stomach upset can, indeed, be a symptom of influenza. It's more common in children than adults, however.

    With the Spanish Flu, most of the people who died did not die from the "flu", but rather from pneumonia that resulted from a weakened immune system due to the flu. Yes, the most affected demographic was (previously - thought to be) healthy 20 to 40 year olds, but the Spanish Flu originated in Europe during WWI, and the problem with it was that it spread quickly through the troops and was brought back to the US with the soldiers, who were, yep, aged 20 to 40, for the most part. In addition, like the Swine flu, there seems to be some support that people who had survived the epidemic of the flu in the late 1800s were immune to the Spanish flu, which is why more older people didn't get sick.

    Additionally, with regard to the Spanish flu outbreak, we didn't have the same sanitation standards that we have today. There's a lot to be said for access to clean water, warm, dry living conditions, and soap.

    I'm not poo-pooing how truly horrible it would be to get sick with the flu, but I am saying that there were other factors, besides the virus, that caused so many deaths during the Spanish Flu pandemic, and we need to educate ourselves about THOSE things, too, before we start picking out possible similarities. Antibiotics, which would have "cured" the pneumonia infections, would have saved more than half the people who died of the "Spanish flu" in the early twentieth century, but they were not commmercially available until much later in the century.